LB: Yes. You know the Tower card in tarot?
GA: Yes.
LB: The Tower card and the Death card are both real Scorpio cards. The Tower is when you resist it, and you get thrown on your face because you've been getting a little too uppity and you haven't been willing to move it to another level.
GA: It's also interchange.
LB: Yes.
GA: I like both of those cards.
LB: Yeah, I do, too.
GA: When I get them I know I'm in for something.
LB: Yeah. I almost feel like the Tower is the one where you really need to go through changes and you're trying really hard not to, but Death card is really a lot more fluid in that way [unintelligible 00:07:11] no, wait, stop.
GA: [laughs]