Natal Chart for GEA by Liza Biow, Brooklyn, 05 June 1983

Lisa Biow: Remind me of the [unintelligible 00:06:23] I'll teach you after this because it's not hard. You need to get one for the year of your birth or get one that--They have like 10-year ones. Anyway, go to [unintelligible] and find out what you can find. If you can get one just for that year it would be nice but it might be hard.
Gloria Anzaldúa: The year of my birth?
LB: Yes. The year of your birth will do it. Because on that method of progression during the course of your whole lifetime, you won't get much past Capricorn. Your Sun won't progress past here. There are different sorts of methods of progression. I don't work with progressions all that much altogether but that's the most standard one. Your moon would be-- Let's see, your moon in 43 would be circled down once and 28. Then 12, 12 days would be about-- I don't know if I can figure this out on my head, probably in Libra.
Yes, Libra maybe is working. I need to look it up. Almost maybe somewhere around there, would've circled around all the way around once and then be a little less than halfway through, et cetera.
GA: That's so interesting. I'm here now and here I thought I'd just gone into my seventh house. [laughs]

LB: I mean there probably are other modes of-- Your moon is over here. Your moon in the air is-- Wait a second, my air is over here and once would be about here.
GA: It's because it's static. If we had things that we could turn around--
LB: I know. People do charts like that sometimes where they have different pointers around. They do it for progressions that they have three different pieces of paper that are circles and there's one of your natal charts and then the transits and your progressions. They're moving them around and then they'll move it a little bit longer to see where you're going to be a year from now in relation to this and that and it's interesting. There are people who actually do that. Where am I at? Oh yes, you're around a square. Let me look at my notes on this for one second. One of the things that goes on with all the Eros connections, and in your case, I think it works mostly pretty well for you. It is all trines and it's like you can get a little lazy in this respect. Trines can make for a lot of laziness.
GA: Yes, that's one of my qualities.
LB: I'm not sure I have that luxury. [laughter] I'm not all square. If you get lazy, you just stay in the same place. In your chart, it generally works fairly well. It's not like you mess yourself up with your Eros. You have absolutely no tolerance for boredom or for conservatism in the strict sense of the people who are interested in making it like they think it was three days ago. You're always moving forward, very inventive, with no respect for authority [chuckles] whatsoever, or convention, or--
If somebody tells you you should do things because this is the way they are done, this is absolute useless information to you, and you're very likely to do exactly the opposite exactly for that reason. It's the sense of--
GA: Reacting?
LB: Not in a bad way necessarily, but if you wanted to break through whatever structures are around you, you don't have any use for that, for social convention, in that sense. It really doesn't.
GA: In friendships too. I like to shake them up.
LB: Oh, yes, it's a real shake-them-up energy. Aquarians are like this in general because they're ruled by that planet, but Aquarians always have this thing, they love to say things that are going to make everybody's jaw drop. They figure it's good for everybody to have their ideas shaken up periodically, and you have that also, of the sense of always wanting to figure out the thing that no one has thought of, that's going to--People getting their set images of the world, or set ways of thinking or whatever, you're the person who's always looking for the little something that's going to shift the way everything looks, that's going to turn the world upside down. Not for yourself, but for other people also. That's one of the services you perform for your friends; shaking up their worldview periodically, which is nice.

GA: Sometimes they don't like this. [laughter]
LB: Right, it could be a problem with Tauruses in particular, watch out for that. There's lots of ideas, lots of new ideas all the time and enthusiasm for everything, and there's this real quest for new stuff. Not just for newness in itself, which is a Gemini thing, just there's this sense of wanting to unhinge. It's an intellectual thing. Unhinge the way people are looking at the world, or the way that you're looking at the world.
GA: I see.
LB: It's nice because you're really, in some sense, very comfortable with that energy. A lot of people have a lot of problems with that. You're fairly comfortable with it, and there is--There's some counterbalancing thing with your Saturn and Gemini. There's a particular intellectual rigidity that you've had to fight in yourself, but on some levels, you're very much looking for the thing that turns it all upside down. The one problem with the amount of strength is that you can be impatient, and impulsive, and need to channel those flashes sometimes, or that will to break it all up and start all over. Because occasionally, you can get into trouble with that if you don't stick around long enough to find out what's useful in some particular way of looking at something. You're immediately wanting to shake it all off and start all over, which can be a problem. I would worry about it more if it was square. I think it works pretty well for you for the most part, but there is occasionally a need for moderation. It's also, it being this very electrical explosive-- Not explosive, it's not quite the word, but--
GA: Intense?
LB: Very intense, but fast, intense. It's like flashes. Lightning or electricity is the best image I can think of.
GA: I love lightning. Always [unintelligible 00:13:29].

LB: What was I going to say? Oh, you can short circuit periodically. That's all. It's another one of those stress yourself out of line, but it's really good that you're doing stuff like meditation or whatever, because there is this-- It can make you high strung after a while if you thrive on that explosive intellectual stuff to the point where you can burn. You can get yourself very frazzled if you're forever looking for the new thing to shake it all up, and you can just get real tired doing it.
GA: I was an insomniac for a long time.
LB: That's perfect. Yes, because Uranus transits, one of the major signs of Uranus transits is insomnia, when people are having real transits--
GA: Wow.
LB: I didn't even know this, when I had my chart done, I was having some strange Uranus transits at the time, and she said-- I had not said a word to her, but she said, "Having trouble sleeping lately?" She blew my mind. For the first time in five years, really having very heavy duty insomnia, and it was that. That and skin things. Like really strange little skin rashes is another Uranus transits thing. It's very hyper. It could be a little jittery when you get a little too much of it. Anyway, so there's that.

Uranus represents change, revolution, independence, and individual power.
Banzhaf, Hajo, and Anna Haebler. Keywords for Astrology: The Essential Guide to Correspondences and Interpretation of Planets, Signs, Houses, and Aspects. Red Wheel Weiser, 2024.

LB: Uranus is in the sixth house and there's all these [unintelligible 00:15:00] to your little threesome up here, which means that in some way, your work and what you see as your service to the world, again, is the sixth house thing. The tenth house is not so much service to the world, it's wanting to give something to the world like in a more grandiose sense. It's the building of structures in some way.
The sixth house is the plain, hardworking service on a very-- Your sense of that is--and this is part of your why you can't do a nine-to-five job thing, someone with Saturn-- No, that's not even [unintelligible 00:15:33] Saturn in sixth house. A messed up Saturn. With a different kind of placement in the sixth house. We'll say Sun in the sixth house is the person who can handle the nine-to-five job a lot better. You've got Uranus in the sixth house. It's a strong planet, so there is this real sense of wanting to do service, but your way of doing it is always going to be eccentric, and it's not going to be a regular, everyday whatever. It's going to be a much more impulsive visionary. Your brand of service is Uranian. You want to offer your visions to the world. That's your service. You'll never be able to deal with a kind of job that's too routine at all. You just can't cope with it. It's terrible.
GA: No, it kills me. It kills me.
LB: You shouldn't make yourself try. You should never do it unless it's like that or starving to death because it's terrible for you.
GA: I've been managing to survive on my writing, my gigs, and teaching.
LB: Yes, that's the perfect way for you to work. That's not--
GA: It's sporadic.
LB: It would drive me a little nuts, I think, but for you, I think it's really good.

The 6th House relates to physical health, work, and the ability to integrate into society. Uranus in the 6th House indicates an individual's ability to contribute novel ideas, which also often demand novel or unconventional working conditions, as well as the need to work independently.
Banzhaf, Hajo, and Anna Haebler. Keywords for Astrology: The Essential Guide to Correspondences and Interpretation of Planets, Signs, Houses, and Aspects. Red Wheel Weiser, 2024.

GA: Being ruled by Taurus, how does that affect the sixth house?
LB: It's not ruled by Taurus. It's ruled by Virgo. This is the Virgo house.
GA: Okay, so this has nothing to do with--
LB: Oh, yes, I see your Taurus on the-- Yes. Is it intercepted? No. That affects it a little. That gives a little more solidity to your sixth house stuff, but not that much.
GA: Not that much?
LB: No, because the planet is so strong and it's got its own dynamic there. It overshadows your cusp a little, I think.
GA: A lot of it is intellectual because of the Gemini.
LB: The Gemini and Uranus itself is a pretty intellectual planet. It's not linear thought, but it's intellectual. It's the flash of whatever.
GA: The mind.
LB: It's very much the mind, but it's not like this, and then this, and then this, and this. It's like--
GA: Could it be in the intuitive level of the mind?
LB: Yes, for sure, exactly. You know what, it reminds me of-- Like I used to say, this thing with-- Because I have a very strong Uranus on my chart. It's exactly on this line, the [unintelligible 00:18:02].
GA: [unintelligible 00:18:02].

LB: Exactly. It's like this very internal thing. I'm not even aware of it, but it's very much rooted in me, this Uranian energy. It's also conjunct my Venus. I would do things like solve a math problem in my head in about 10 seconds that if I was to sit down and try and figure out the answer to, it would take me four hours. I even did that with astrology a lot, of like, "I'll figure something out." I'll have just an insight, a flash of, "Oh, this is X," and I'll say that, and then I'll get panicked about it, because I have no excuse for that answer. Then I'll go back and I'll track that, and I'll come out with the same answer four hours later, but that's very fast, non-linear intellectual stuff. Yes, it's [unintelligible 00:18:53].
GA: I have that with people. Like I'll see people, and I'll put two and two together, but in a way that is not like addition, you know?
LB: It's interesting because lots of times, you'll see like one or the other of the outer planets, which are the ones that have to do with psychic stuff. With you, you've got both-- Your Pluto isn't all that strong in the chart, but you have both the Neptune and the Uranus are very strong, very focal, important planets so that your psychic stuff is coming in two different-- There's two different major sources of it. One of them is that real oceanic, Neptuneian, empathic connection, which is very non-intellectual in any of the traditional senses of intellectual. It's totally feeling a spiritual non--It's very little to do with your mind than any traditional-- Or it's totally right brain kind of mind, if anything. It's connected with the mind at all. It's all the right side. Uranus is more of a traditional intellectual kind of thing, but it doesn't work linearly at all. It's not that kind of thing, it's a flash. Those are two very different kinds of spiritual energy.
GA: I have this problem that I always want to verify these flashes. It slows them down. I should trust them.
LB: Although for you, there's some value to that. You should trust them, but there's also a thing of-- Well, I'll get to that when I get to your notes, of real education and grounding of some of your psychic stuff is really important. That's not a substitute for trusting the psychic stuff. It's like the two of them should go together, of that sort of training and education, and then just doing it. They work together very well. It's not like you should play them off each other. Either you know it or you have this insight into it. It's the two of them work together. [unintelligible 00:21:01]
GA: I see.

LB: That one's that. Now where else am I? [unintelligible 00:21:16] that's so nice. Meg has [unintelligible 00:21:20].
GA: So does me.
LB: Yes, right. In the last couple years, I had never known anyone with-- Oh, that's actually Frankie [unintelligible 00:21:30]. I don't even know [unintelligible 00:21:35] it's some more of your quickness than your-- It's more visionary stuff in a particular way. It's like your ascendant-- Somebody described to me once I thought was nice, if you think of your Sun [unintelligible 00:21:55] move to some extent, but especially your Sun as being the contents of a bottle, that ascending is the neck and its particular channeling of your Sun.
It's like the Sun is the basic energy and it's like your ascending is almost like your style of expressing that, or your preferred style of expressing it. If you had your way, this is how you would go about expressing your Sun. It's not so much an internal part of your personality. It's much more your style. It has very much to do with action in the world.
GA: I like that analogy of the bottle.
LB: I think it works. See, it's not all that much different for the rest of your chart if you've got a lot of fire, air, and stuff. Anyway, in Meg it's very obvious because the rest of her-- She's a Capricorn, and a lot of the playfulness that would never be there usually in a Capricorn is the [unintelligible 00:22:51]. With you, it's not that different from the other elements in your chart. There's a particular fastness to it. There's also a real concern within quality of ethics or value systems having a lot to do with how you want to express yourself. That's some focus and what you want to be doing in the world. There's a real sense of tie everything that's going on into your belief system. You don't want things scattered all over the place.
GA: I don't.

LB: There's a real sense of wanting to fit it into how you see the world as a whole or how you feel like the world should be as a whole. That becomes a crucial part. First, I'll talk about your Saturn and I'll talk about your T Square Sun. [unintelligible 00:23:59] in your notes about the placement of your moon space.
Your Saturn in the seventh. Saturn is always a heavy-- It's also the teacher. I think there's this really wonderful book on Saturn, by the way, if you want a really nice astrology book. Have you ever seen this book, which is called Saturn? It's by a woman named Liz Green.
GA: Yes. I've seen it. I should read that.
LB: It's excellent. It's really excellent. Anyway, Saturn is the teacher and it's like a lot teaching through pain. The thing we're talking about, this is a lot-- That's what Saturn is about a lot. It's teaching through restriction of-- It depends a lot on the aspects to it and whatever, but to some extent always Saturn is a lot about where the blockages are, where you hold back. Saturn is also about how you define yourself, in a way that to some extent is very necessary to survive in the world and to some extent becomes a limit, especially when you're starting to get into spiritual stuff. There's a lot of stuff of getting past Saturn and undoing your-- It's like Sun and Saturn are like two different facets of ego in a way.
Sun is the sense of the self-expressive. It's the [unintelligible 00:25:36] sort of expansive, the heart and all that of that sort of very ego-centric but in a generous kind of a way, of your rootedness in yourself and your sense of purpose and all that stuff. Saturn is your ego in the sense of how you define your limitations of, "This is what I am," as opposed to something else. It's like you define yourself in a negative kind of a way, is Saturn, and it's a lot about structure and crystallization. It's like people have problems with Saturn have arthritis a lot and things like that. Just this real structure, rigidity thing.
GA: Well, had a little bit of being in here, but it's gone now.
LB: Good. Unless you're working with your Saturn [unintelligible 00:26:20]. [laughs] It's like the other part of ego in a way of like, you define yourself by defining what you're not or where your restrictions are or whatever. It's blockages. Where you stopped yourself.

"Saturn represents structure, steadfastness, and limitation-Saturn also represents the ability of a person to set boundaries, [as well as] those which do not let you reach what you desire."
Banzhaf, Hajo, and Anna Haebler. Keywords for Astrology: The Essential Guide to Correspondences and Interpretation of Planets, Signs, Houses, and Aspects. Red Wheel Weiser, 2024.

GA: I stopped myself in relationships or in love ?
LB: There's a real sense. It's a place of a lot of learning because in some way, wherever Saturn is, this is something that doesn't come easy. Therefore you have a tremendous opportunity to learn about, but it's very hard. Saturn in the seventh is-- The thing of long term-- Well, traditionally it's marriage, but the sense of the perfect other or there's some real sense of really wanting the perfect other, or the person who is your compliment and is your lifelong companion or whatever. There's a real yearning for that and it doesn't come very easily at all.
I don't know, there's a lot of things. First of all, there's really wanting that and also being afraid of it. Usually, wherever you have Saturn, you can go in one of a couple different directions with it. It's all like, there's a blockage and you can scatter in one of two ways. You can either get into a thing of you're completely obsessed with the relationships or you get into a thing of you're fiercely independent and you don't need a relationship.
GA: I do both. [laughs]
LB: There's a real thing of being incredibly aware of your own need for a relationship and vulnerability and feeling like you're incredibly needy or all this stuff. On the other hand, there's this real thing about total self-sufficiency.
GA: I have that, exactly.

LB: Let me detour for a second. Because I remember I mentioned before, your Saturn was retrograde. When Saturn is retrograde, a lot of the structure-- That thing about structure and protecting yourself from the world and defining yourself in relationship to the world in terms of your limitations of some rigid idea of who you are or whatever. When you've sat on retrograde, to some extent, you don't do that in the usual way. You don't set your limits, you don't put barriers around yourself in the way that most people do.
It's another one of these things of you don't have a lot of psychic defenses. There's a sense of you take in stuff very easily. You don't have your little barricade against the world. If anything, the way it works, especially when you're younger, I think is you barricade yourself from your own self-conscious, but you don't barricade yourself from the world. It's like the defenses are internal. It's like it all gets turned inside of you, so that you are defending yourself against yourself as opposed to defending yourself against other people. I think it's probably particularly hard in childhood.
GA: This is because--
LB: You can have a childhood in which you could be incredibly rebellious, but nonetheless, you take it in, in some very profound way of like, you can be really-
GA: This is a--
LB: A little battered by the world.
GA: Is this the way it's always going to be or only when Saturn is retrograde?
LB: Wait the way it's always going to be for you or the way it always is with Saturn? This is your natal placement. To some extent, that's a constant for you. The thing to do with it is to learn--
GA: That's good though.
LB: Yes, it is good in a lot of ways. Oh, there's one particular kind of barrier that you don't have to get through that a lot of people have. On the other hand, it's caused you a certain amount of pain if you're not defended against the world in that way.
GA: I see.
LB: That also means that you don't have to fight so hard to knock down the--You haven't gotten rigid in your definition of yourself in the world that most people have that then they have to bat down if they're ever going to go beyond that. [END OF AUDIO]